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		<title>By: Carol Former AP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Former AP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 14:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was an AP whose host family went on skiing trips constantly. As soon and I got to their home they took me on a trip. The first couple of times we went skiing, they paid for the ski rental, lift ticket and a private class at a small, cheap place. It was great, I&#039;m from Brazil and never seen snow before, let alone skied. 

The other dozens of times I went with them, I paid for everything myself (unless it was my b-day, Xmas). We usually spend 4 or 5 days there, I once or twice and I&#039;d watch the smaller kids for them the other days. When they wanted to take all the kids and were going to expensive or harder or ski places, they offered to drop me off at the local ski place (the one I was used to) if I wanted. I thought it was very nice of them to introduce me to the sport, I&#039;d forever thankful to them for giving me the chance to experience such a unique thing (since I&quot;d never have this chance in my home country).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was an AP whose host family went on skiing trips constantly. As soon and I got to their home they took me on a trip. The first couple of times we went skiing, they paid for the ski rental, lift ticket and a private class at a small, cheap place. It was great, I&#8217;m from Brazil and never seen snow before, let alone skied. </p>
<p>The other dozens of times I went with them, I paid for everything myself (unless it was my b-day, Xmas). We usually spend 4 or 5 days there, I once or twice and I&#8217;d watch the smaller kids for them the other days. When they wanted to take all the kids and were going to expensive or harder or ski places, they offered to drop me off at the local ski place (the one I was used to) if I wanted. I thought it was very nice of them to introduce me to the sport, I&#8217;d forever thankful to them for giving me the chance to experience such a unique thing (since I&#8221;d never have this chance in my home country).</p>
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		<title>By: cv harquail</title>
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		<dc:creator>cv harquail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exNorwayAP-
Leaving you with a baby in a parking lot/rest area with no money, no phone and no sense of when they are coming back? That goes down on the list of &quot;I can&#039;t believe that people do this to their au pairs.&quot; Apologies from host parents everywhere.  cv</description>
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Leaving you with a baby in a parking lot/rest area with no money, no phone and no sense of when they are coming back? That goes down on the list of &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe that people do this to their au pairs.&#8221; Apologies from host parents everywhere.  cv</p>
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		<title>By: exNorwayAupair</title>
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		<dc:creator>exNorwayAupair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is an old topic but just wanted to put my 2 cents in ;) For people like me, who stumble over this blog/topic long after it was active.

When I was an aupair in Norway (yeeeeears ago - in 2004), my HP took me on a Ski Vacation. I rather... dislike skiing. I don&#039;t like mountains, they are high and steep, there are avalanches and people get hurt/die when skiing. My father had forced me to ski when I was younger (10/15 years before). I didn&#039;t like it then, I still don&#039;t.

However, that didn&#039;t bother me too much as I was accompanying the family to take care of the baby (who had just turned 1) while they went skiing with the older children (schoolaged) and then spend some time playing or in the pool with the older children when the parents relaxed with the baby later.

All in all, this was a &quot;regular&quot; work week for me - hence the family paid for room (shared with oldest girl) and food. They also forced me to ski on the last day there - I got to use the HD&#039;s skis (who took care of the baby while HM went &quot;skiing&quot; with me and the two oldest) and helmet as well as one of my HM&#039;s old snowpants. Usage of the nursery slope (where I got run over by 2 year olds more than once) was free if I remember correctly and I didn&#039;t have to pay for the skipass... not that I ever really wanted to ski.

On the way back home, after a week of vacation, my HP went cross-country skiing with the two oldest and dropped me and the baby off at a parking area. There was a café, however I was left without money to get food/drink for either baby or me. I couldn&#039;t even use the restroom as that had to be paid for and after a week of daily hot chocolates and snacks (while going for endless walks with the baby, as they family didn&#039;t cover &quot;snacks&quot; during working hours on the trip) I was totally broke, I had to change the baby on the backseat of the car. They were gone for 4+ hours, while I walked up and down the parkinglot with the little one - no cellphone signal, no idea when they would be back, not allowed to turn on the radio/heating in the car. Thankfully, the weather was extremely nice.
If you drop your aupair off in the middle of nowhere (!) at least ask her if she has money for a cup of coffee or a piece of cake - if she doesn&#039;t, either give her some, pay her (part) of her pocketmoney early or lend her some that can be deducted of her next salary. Make sure your AP has the possibility to keep the child(ren) and herself occupied, fed, and SAVE. Also make sure that your aupair knows beforehand what she will have to pay for (snacks, drinks, skipass...), especially as holiday resorts are often a little more expensive than what the AP might be used to</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is an old topic but just wanted to put my 2 cents in <img src='http://AuPairMom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  For people like me, who stumble over this blog/topic long after it was active.</p>
<p>When I was an aupair in Norway (yeeeeears ago &#8211; in 2004), my HP took me on a Ski Vacation. I rather&#8230; dislike skiing. I don&#8217;t like mountains, they are high and steep, there are avalanches and people get hurt/die when skiing. My father had forced me to ski when I was younger (10/15 years before). I didn&#8217;t like it then, I still don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>However, that didn&#8217;t bother me too much as I was accompanying the family to take care of the baby (who had just turned 1) while they went skiing with the older children (schoolaged) and then spend some time playing or in the pool with the older children when the parents relaxed with the baby later.</p>
<p>All in all, this was a &#8220;regular&#8221; work week for me &#8211; hence the family paid for room (shared with oldest girl) and food. They also forced me to ski on the last day there &#8211; I got to use the HD&#8217;s skis (who took care of the baby while HM went &#8220;skiing&#8221; with me and the two oldest) and helmet as well as one of my HM&#8217;s old snowpants. Usage of the nursery slope (where I got run over by 2 year olds more than once) was free if I remember correctly and I didn&#8217;t have to pay for the skipass&#8230; not that I ever really wanted to ski.</p>
<p>On the way back home, after a week of vacation, my HP went cross-country skiing with the two oldest and dropped me and the baby off at a parking area. There was a café, however I was left without money to get food/drink for either baby or me. I couldn&#8217;t even use the restroom as that had to be paid for and after a week of daily hot chocolates and snacks (while going for endless walks with the baby, as they family didn&#8217;t cover &#8220;snacks&#8221; during working hours on the trip) I was totally broke, I had to change the baby on the backseat of the car. They were gone for 4+ hours, while I walked up and down the parkinglot with the little one &#8211; no cellphone signal, no idea when they would be back, not allowed to turn on the radio/heating in the car. Thankfully, the weather was extremely nice.<br />
If you drop your aupair off in the middle of nowhere (!) at least ask her if she has money for a cup of coffee or a piece of cake &#8211; if she doesn&#8217;t, either give her some, pay her (part) of her pocketmoney early or lend her some that can be deducted of her next salary. Make sure your AP has the possibility to keep the child(ren) and herself occupied, fed, and SAVE. Also make sure that your aupair knows beforehand what she will have to pay for (snacks, drinks, skipass&#8230;), especially as holiday resorts are often a little more expensive than what the AP might be used to</p>
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		<title>By: Disgruntled</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disgruntled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an au pair in Europe and I&#039;ve been on a week long ski trip with the host family, and the entire time, I&#039;ve been &#039;strictly forbidden&#039; to ski. My HM&#039;s reason is safety- basically, if I break my neck, she&#039;s out of childcare. I can understand this (even though I&#039;ve been skiing for years with my own family and I know what I&#039;m doing) but when I asked if any former au pairs had been allowed to ski, she told me yes-just one, who fell down, thus the new no skiing au pair rule. BUT when I spoke to the children&#039;s ski instructor, she mentioned giving lessons to another au pair- one who had followed the au pair who had  been in an accident. 

Also, when my HM wasn&#039;t sure if her husband would be able to join us, she mentioned something about me skiing with her anyway, because she &#039;just hates to ski alone.&#039;

if me skiing is a safety issue, shouldn&#039;t it be a safety issue whether or not she likes skiing alone? And I don&#039;t like thefact that she lied about which au pairs had gone skiing- IMHO, they just don&#039;t want to pay for me and they want a constantly available babysitter. Fine! I don&#039;t even mind that much- I just wish they would be straight with me and not act like I&#039;m stupid. Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an au pair in Europe and I&#8217;ve been on a week long ski trip with the host family, and the entire time, I&#8217;ve been &#8217;strictly forbidden&#8217; to ski. My HM&#8217;s reason is safety- basically, if I break my neck, she&#8217;s out of childcare. I can understand this (even though I&#8217;ve been skiing for years with my own family and I know what I&#8217;m doing) but when I asked if any former au pairs had been allowed to ski, she told me yes-just one, who fell down, thus the new no skiing au pair rule. BUT when I spoke to the children&#8217;s ski instructor, she mentioned giving lessons to another au pair- one who had followed the au pair who had  been in an accident. </p>
<p>Also, when my HM wasn&#8217;t sure if her husband would be able to join us, she mentioned something about me skiing with her anyway, because she &#8216;just hates to ski alone.&#8217;</p>
<p>if me skiing is a safety issue, shouldn&#8217;t it be a safety issue whether or not she likes skiing alone? And I don&#8217;t like thefact that she lied about which au pairs had gone skiing- IMHO, they just don&#8217;t want to pay for me and they want a constantly available babysitter. Fine! I don&#8217;t even mind that much- I just wish they would be straight with me and not act like I&#8217;m stupid. Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: OR host mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>OR host mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 16:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you in Northern CA &amp; the Pacific NW, Shell is offering a ski free voucher (buy one, get one free) if you purchase 10 gallons of gas.  It is good at a number of ski resorts...an easy way to bring AP along for free!  My AP was the one that told me about the deal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you in Northern CA &amp; the Pacific NW, Shell is offering a ski free voucher (buy one, get one free) if you purchase 10 gallons of gas.  It is good at a number of ski resorts&#8230;an easy way to bring AP along for free!  My AP was the one that told me about the deal!</p>
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		<title>By: Sara Duke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We choose to sleep with the kids and let the au pair have private space. Part if this decision is based on our special needs child, whose feeding pump goes off in the middle of the night, and the fact that said child will occasionally scream in the night (for some of us the happy retarded child is a myth). I don&#039;t think it is appropriate for my AP to share a hotel room with my 9-year-old son, and will become less appropriate as he gets older.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We choose to sleep with the kids and let the au pair have private space. Part if this decision is based on our special needs child, whose feeding pump goes off in the middle of the night, and the fact that said child will occasionally scream in the night (for some of us the happy retarded child is a myth). I don&#8217;t think it is appropriate for my AP to share a hotel room with my 9-year-old son, and will become less appropriate as he gets older.</p>
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		<title>By: CV</title>
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		<dc:creator>CV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question-- I&#039;d love to get an official answer!

My own opinion-- this is one of the rules I would bend. I would make sure that the au pair had some privacy (especially for the bathroom &amp; dressing, which can be managed by taking kids into parent&#039;s room for a while) and that the au pair was able to watch tv, relax, stay up w/out bothering kids, sleep without kids waking her, etc.

I&#039;d bend this rule b/c it is just so costly to get yet another hotel room... and given a choice of not going or sharing a room, our au pairs have always chosen to share rooms.

However, if we were going somewhere that cost wasn&#039;t the issue (e.g. grandparents, visiting friends) I personally would give the au pair the more private place since it is especially hard to have privacy in these situations any other way. my $.02. I&#039;d love to know the &#039;rules&#039;. cv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question&#8211; I&#8217;d love to get an official answer!</p>
<p>My own opinion&#8211; this is one of the rules I would bend. I would make sure that the au pair had some privacy (especially for the bathroom &#038; dressing, which can be managed by taking kids into parent&#8217;s room for a while) and that the au pair was able to watch tv, relax, stay up w/out bothering kids, sleep without kids waking her, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d bend this rule b/c it is just so costly to get yet another hotel room&#8230; and given a choice of not going or sharing a room, our au pairs have always chosen to share rooms.</p>
<p>However, if we were going somewhere that cost wasn&#8217;t the issue (e.g. grandparents, visiting friends) I personally would give the au pair the more private place since it is especially hard to have privacy in these situations any other way. my $.02. I&#8217;d love to know the &#8216;rules&#8217;. cv</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe someone from one of the agencys can address this.  I, too, was under the impression that (even during travel) the HF was required to provide the AP with a private sleeping space.  CV?  Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe someone from one of the agencys can address this.  I, too, was under the impression that (even during travel) the HF was required to provide the AP with a private sleeping space.  CV?  Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second that!</description>
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		<title>By: CaliHostMom</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaliHostMom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had 9 au pairs and been on probably 20 ski trips with them (always driving, never flying). For me, it always paid to be generous and treat the girls as part of the family and the ski trip as one of the special perks of having chosen our family. I agree with DCAuPairMom -- it&#039;s about treating them as part of the family. I *always* paid for at least two days of skiing if not more (depends on length of ski stay and kids&#039; situation). Au pairs can&#039;t afford U.S. ski pricing. And if you take them and they spend all their pocket money to ski or they don&#039;t ski b/c they don&#039;t want to spend that much, they will feel bitter or left-out. If I couldn&#039;t afford to make it a fun experience for them, too, I just would not have brought them along at all. I disagree that you can just put it in the AP manual at the beginning of the year that they&#039;ll have to pay for &quot;extras&quot;. Lift tickets are not extras. They are the main attraction.  I also begged &amp; borrowed from neighbors and friends to equip the AP with the necessary clothing and equipment (or I payed for rentals). I did share up front with the AP the amount of $ and effort I was going to for her sake (graciously) and I explained that, in exchange, I would expect her to help out with the kids whenever necessary and not be beholden to a strict timeclock for duty hours. This worked really well for us. Never had a problem. Always had help with kids all day and evening and always had happy APs. (I did have a grouchy husband who could not believe I was paying for the APs to ski...but that&#039;s another story!) ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had 9 au pairs and been on probably 20 ski trips with them (always driving, never flying). For me, it always paid to be generous and treat the girls as part of the family and the ski trip as one of the special perks of having chosen our family. I agree with DCAuPairMom &#8212; it&#8217;s about treating them as part of the family. I *always* paid for at least two days of skiing if not more (depends on length of ski stay and kids&#8217; situation). Au pairs can&#8217;t afford U.S. ski pricing. And if you take them and they spend all their pocket money to ski or they don&#8217;t ski b/c they don&#8217;t want to spend that much, they will feel bitter or left-out. If I couldn&#8217;t afford to make it a fun experience for them, too, I just would not have brought them along at all. I disagree that you can just put it in the AP manual at the beginning of the year that they&#8217;ll have to pay for &#8220;extras&#8221;. Lift tickets are not extras. They are the main attraction.  I also begged &amp; borrowed from neighbors and friends to equip the AP with the necessary clothing and equipment (or I payed for rentals). I did share up front with the AP the amount of $ and effort I was going to for her sake (graciously) and I explained that, in exchange, I would expect her to help out with the kids whenever necessary and not be beholden to a strict timeclock for duty hours. This worked really well for us. Never had a problem. Always had help with kids all day and evening and always had happy APs. (I did have a grouchy husband who could not believe I was paying for the APs to ski&#8230;but that&#8217;s another story!) <img src='http://AuPairMom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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