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		<title>By: MommyMia</title>
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		<dc:creator>MommyMia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Natalia, It is good that you realize that you&#039;re not able to give your best, and thank you for the courage to speak up here.  I think you need to try to talk to your host family, and if it doesn&#039;t seem to change anything, you should go to your AD/LCC right away.  If you don&#039;t, the long work hours are going to become an &quot;accepted&quot; practice, and things are only going to go downhill.  Not even the best parent can be &quot;on&quot; for so long every day; if the family doesn&#039;t have the resources for supplemental childcare to help cover the 72 hour workweeks, I think you should consider rematch.  They are abusing the system and breaking the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natalia, It is good that you realize that you&#8217;re not able to give your best, and thank you for the courage to speak up here.  I think you need to try to talk to your host family, and if it doesn&#8217;t seem to change anything, you should go to your AD/LCC right away.  If you don&#8217;t, the long work hours are going to become an &#8220;accepted&#8221; practice, and things are only going to go downhill.  Not even the best parent can be &#8220;on&#8221; for so long every day; if the family doesn&#8217;t have the resources for supplemental childcare to help cover the 72 hour workweeks, I think you should consider rematch.  They are abusing the system and breaking the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 20:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an au pair who just started working for a family, I can definitely say that working twelve hour days is not good for your children. I have worked from 8am to 8pm, 6 days a week. After about the first week, I started breaking down on a regular basis. I never went out because I was too tired after a long day and I always woke up at 6:30am so I had time to get shower and be completely ready for the day. Thus, I literally had zero time to myself wherein I wasn&#039;t completely spent/exhausted. One day I even worked from 8am to 10:30pm because the family had a dinner party. My energy levels decreased steeply. When I took the kids to the park, I didn&#039;t have the energy to run around and play with them. All I could bring myself to do was remain pleasant and push them on the swing. I just couldn&#039;t give them my best self, and this broke my heart because I love these kids so much. The point is, when you overwork your au pair, she will become resentful and exhausted. She won&#039;t express this outwardly, but it will affect her work performance. 

I think I broke down crying in private five times last week. I did the best I could to make sure the children (a two and a four year old) were having a fun time while I was taking care of them, but I definitely was not able to give them my best self.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an au pair who just started working for a family, I can definitely say that working twelve hour days is not good for your children. I have worked from 8am to 8pm, 6 days a week. After about the first week, I started breaking down on a regular basis. I never went out because I was too tired after a long day and I always woke up at 6:30am so I had time to get shower and be completely ready for the day. Thus, I literally had zero time to myself wherein I wasn&#8217;t completely spent/exhausted. One day I even worked from 8am to 10:30pm because the family had a dinner party. My energy levels decreased steeply. When I took the kids to the park, I didn&#8217;t have the energy to run around and play with them. All I could bring myself to do was remain pleasant and push them on the swing. I just couldn&#8217;t give them my best self, and this broke my heart because I love these kids so much. The point is, when you overwork your au pair, she will become resentful and exhausted. She won&#8217;t express this outwardly, but it will affect her work performance. </p>
<p>I think I broke down crying in private five times last week. I did the best I could to make sure the children (a two and a four year old) were having a fun time while I was taking care of them, but I definitely was not able to give them my best self.</p>
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		<title>By: bec</title>
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		<dc:creator>bec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 14:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was an au pair in 2005 and will be returning to the states in 10 days to do it all over again.... when i was there in 2005 i was working from about 630am to anywhere from 530pm to 630pm i never knew when the parents would be home they just rocked up... so made it hard to make plans there was 2 occassions when i asked them to be home by about 5pm to 530pm as i had made plans to go to concerts and things which i dint think was unfair  since i helped them out as much as possible..... but they were late on them 2 occassions... i did work for a military family and i understood like everyone else they had to work hard  the thing that makes it the hardest is u get so attached to the kids its hard to say no. i arrived in january and we were going on holidays in june so we agreed any extra time i worked between them months would pay for all my expenses and things as i was not working, but after june i never recieved any extra they did give me a cash bonus at the end of $500 but truthfully i am not into the extra pay all the time but maybe a giftcard or travel voucher sometimes would be nice.... i know you can get cheap bus tickets all the time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was an au pair in 2005 and will be returning to the states in 10 days to do it all over again&#8230;. when i was there in 2005 i was working from about 630am to anywhere from 530pm to 630pm i never knew when the parents would be home they just rocked up&#8230; so made it hard to make plans there was 2 occassions when i asked them to be home by about 5pm to 530pm as i had made plans to go to concerts and things which i dint think was unfair  since i helped them out as much as possible&#8230;.. but they were late on them 2 occassions&#8230; i did work for a military family and i understood like everyone else they had to work hard  the thing that makes it the hardest is u get so attached to the kids its hard to say no. i arrived in january and we were going on holidays in june so we agreed any extra time i worked between them months would pay for all my expenses and things as i was not working, but after june i never recieved any extra they did give me a cash bonus at the end of $500 but truthfully i am not into the extra pay all the time but maybe a giftcard or travel voucher sometimes would be nice&#8230;. i know you can get cheap bus tickets all the time</p>
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		<title>By: Caley-Working mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caley-Working mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work in consulting and there was a full year where I worked 80+ hour/week - almost every week.  I had only been working for 3 years, so I was no where near &quot;management&quot; status and getting paid peanuts.  However, I wanted to further my career and I was getting straight line overtime.  So, I was determined to do what I needed to do and saved enough money that year to buy a house.  I am now married in a fairly demanding career with a husband who is in the same position.  This story is meant to say that it is a personal choice and everyone is different with different needs and motivations.

Our first Au pair was from Thailand who was ok at taking care of our children.  The Au pair was very social and constantly out exploring the city.  She constantly would hint at working OT by telling us how her other Au pairs always work OT and only wanted to work OT.  Culturally, this was her passive aggressive way of asking for OT (or so we were told).  We were never comfortable enough to ask her to work OT due to the rules.  Our second Au pair was from Brazil and was very warm, open, and wonderful to our children.  There was an instance early on where my work schedule just needed 5 more hours from our Au pair.  We asked another host family whom I worked with who did not have his Au pair work OT advise.  The host dad said he had had a discussion with his Au pair, and she replied that OT is quite the standard and that $10/hour is also normal.  So, we approached our Au pair about working OT, and she told us that OT is preferred for her.  We once joked about getting a night nanny, so we could get some sleep.   She very seriously told us that we didn&#039;t need to do this, and that she would also take the night shift (we never took her up on this).  We would write out the schedule every week and go over it with her - most of the time including OT - and ask her if she is ok with it.  She was a very integrated part of our family and would often volunteer to watch the kids in addition to her schedule when she could see that we were a bit overwhelmed.  On the occasion that we let her, she wouldn&#039;t accept money for additional help here and there.  Every family is different and has different needs.  Some people are busy bodies and want to be busy all of the time.  Other people need lots of downtime and taking care of children exhausts them.  It really is dependent on the individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work in consulting and there was a full year where I worked 80+ hour/week &#8211; almost every week.  I had only been working for 3 years, so I was no where near &#8220;management&#8221; status and getting paid peanuts.  However, I wanted to further my career and I was getting straight line overtime.  So, I was determined to do what I needed to do and saved enough money that year to buy a house.  I am now married in a fairly demanding career with a husband who is in the same position.  This story is meant to say that it is a personal choice and everyone is different with different needs and motivations.</p>
<p>Our first Au pair was from Thailand who was ok at taking care of our children.  The Au pair was very social and constantly out exploring the city.  She constantly would hint at working OT by telling us how her other Au pairs always work OT and only wanted to work OT.  Culturally, this was her passive aggressive way of asking for OT (or so we were told).  We were never comfortable enough to ask her to work OT due to the rules.  Our second Au pair was from Brazil and was very warm, open, and wonderful to our children.  There was an instance early on where my work schedule just needed 5 more hours from our Au pair.  We asked another host family whom I worked with who did not have his Au pair work OT advise.  The host dad said he had had a discussion with his Au pair, and she replied that OT is quite the standard and that $10/hour is also normal.  So, we approached our Au pair about working OT, and she told us that OT is preferred for her.  We once joked about getting a night nanny, so we could get some sleep.   She very seriously told us that we didn&#8217;t need to do this, and that she would also take the night shift (we never took her up on this).  We would write out the schedule every week and go over it with her &#8211; most of the time including OT &#8211; and ask her if she is ok with it.  She was a very integrated part of our family and would often volunteer to watch the kids in addition to her schedule when she could see that we were a bit overwhelmed.  On the occasion that we let her, she wouldn&#8217;t accept money for additional help here and there.  Every family is different and has different needs.  Some people are busy bodies and want to be busy all of the time.  Other people need lots of downtime and taking care of children exhausts them.  It really is dependent on the individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 19:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMEN!  I wish I had the font big enough to emphasize how right on this post is.   As a former au pair and a host mom, you have experienced both sides of it.  Being on one side or another makes it very difficult to see things from the other perspective.  

I&#039;m sure that other host mom&#039;s will find fault with your reply, but the majority have not walked in the shoes of an au pair and will never be able to understand what it is like.  

Thank you for writing such an appropriate and right on target response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMEN!  I wish I had the font big enough to emphasize how right on this post is.   As a former au pair and a host mom, you have experienced both sides of it.  Being on one side or another makes it very difficult to see things from the other perspective.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that other host mom&#8217;s will find fault with your reply, but the majority have not walked in the shoes of an au pair and will never be able to understand what it is like.  </p>
<p>Thank you for writing such an appropriate and right on target response.</p>
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		<title>By: Tulai- www.aupair2be.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tulai- www.aupair2be.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Currently a mother and au pair in a former life, I think having an au pair look after your children overtime on a REGULAR basis, is plain and simply unethical (not to mention a violation of legal regulations).
Many parents here and elsewhere put forth  a number of arguments to justify this behaviour  : 

1. &quot;we compensate her financially&quot;, &quot;we buy her gifts&quot;...
 Some parents are justifying the extra hours by claiming that au pairs are always eager to make extra money and gladly welcome the overtime hours. What I wish to point out in relation to this is that firstly, it is wrong to generalize across au pairs. Like anyone else, au pairs have different personal and different family backgrounds; some are socially privileged, others are not, or much less.  Some have dependants in their home countries, some are  financially independent, while others still depend  and can count on the financial  support of their parents and families in their home countries. Some are extroverted, others are introverted. Some enjoy going out regularly, others prefer to stay in. Some are ambitious, others are not... But the baseline here is, nobody, no au pair I know or knew is/was thrilled to  have his or her host family overwork her in exchange for money and other material perks. Quite the contrary: they complain(ed), because they were exhausted and it deprived them of opportunities that were meant to be part of the cultural exchange - free time and leisure activities  attending language class, interacting with fellow au pairs or other people, beyond the family... Secondly, let us not forget that as in any employer employee host- hosted relation  a POWER RELATION exists between the host family/ parents and the au- pair, and this no matter how free you are with your au pair and no matter how much you effort you put in to make her &quot;feel at home. 

 2. &quot;she has access to a fully fuelled car&quot;, &quot;she has a nice room and bathroom to herself,  a  computer and full time internet access, and TV in her room&quot;, 
In the part of the world that you and I live in, having a TV, a computer and  internet access  in our homes has become banal; there&#039;s nothing super exceptional about it. If you can afford to hire an au pair, a nanny, a live in house help etc, then it goes without arguing that you are expected to provide  a decent room for your au pair . That she has her personal  bathroom, TV, and computer is fine, but not absolutely indispensable. And let&#039;s face it, in as much as it is convenient for her to have private access to these commonly shared household spaces and facilities, it is also convenient for the parents and the family. 
Moreover, what is the use of offering her all these when she hardly has the time and energy to enjoy them??

3. &quot;Only one really sweet baby to watch — our now 10 month old daughter, who lucky for all of us is an angel, never crying, fussing&quot;

That your child or children are the easiest and the most  fuss-free to look after in the entire world, does not in anyway justify you regularly overworking your au pair. As Anon-y-Mom and others have pointed out,  having your au pair look after your child or children for  so many hours a day is not good for any of the persons involved. Not for her, not for your child, and not for you.
An au pair is expected to have a cultural exchange which involves meeting people beyond her host family and beyond the confines of her working hours, interacting with other au pairs. Working for over 45 hrs a week barely leaves her the energy and time for that! Memories of my exhaustion as an au pair are still fresh: and I was not an abused au pair, since I worked 30-35 hours a week. But I can still remember how exhausted I was  after 5-6 hours of looking after three children aged below 5 years. I can only imagine what those overworked au pairs are going through! Needless to say, the quality of child care offered by an exhausted and overworked au pair, always takes  the downward  direction.

It is my opinion, (one that is shared by many au pairs and former au pairs I know) that : No, it is  NOT  OK to have au pairs work overtime on a regular basis  in exchange for financial or material compensation, or whatever arguments you put forth. 

An au pair is neither a nanny, nor a house helps. She should not be the one to carry our parental responsibilities. Her working hours and responsibilities assigned to her should reflect her au pair status.
 
Possible solutions could involve having two au pairs (as one parent here is doing ); employing a (full time/ part time ) nanny and an au pair; you and your spouse cutting back on your working hours etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Currently a mother and au pair in a former life, I think having an au pair look after your children overtime on a REGULAR basis, is plain and simply unethical (not to mention a violation of legal regulations).<br />
Many parents here and elsewhere put forth  a number of arguments to justify this behaviour  : </p>
<p>1. &#8220;we compensate her financially&#8221;, &#8220;we buy her gifts&#8221;&#8230;<br />
 Some parents are justifying the extra hours by claiming that au pairs are always eager to make extra money and gladly welcome the overtime hours. What I wish to point out in relation to this is that firstly, it is wrong to generalize across au pairs. Like anyone else, au pairs have different personal and different family backgrounds; some are socially privileged, others are not, or much less.  Some have dependants in their home countries, some are  financially independent, while others still depend  and can count on the financial  support of their parents and families in their home countries. Some are extroverted, others are introverted. Some enjoy going out regularly, others prefer to stay in. Some are ambitious, others are not&#8230; But the baseline here is, nobody, no au pair I know or knew is/was thrilled to  have his or her host family overwork her in exchange for money and other material perks. Quite the contrary: they complain(ed), because they were exhausted and it deprived them of opportunities that were meant to be part of the cultural exchange &#8211; free time and leisure activities  attending language class, interacting with fellow au pairs or other people, beyond the family&#8230; Secondly, let us not forget that as in any employer employee host- hosted relation  a POWER RELATION exists between the host family/ parents and the au- pair, and this no matter how free you are with your au pair and no matter how much you effort you put in to make her &#8220;feel at home. </p>
<p> 2. &#8220;she has access to a fully fuelled car&#8221;, &#8220;she has a nice room and bathroom to herself,  a  computer and full time internet access, and TV in her room&#8221;,<br />
In the part of the world that you and I live in, having a TV, a computer and  internet access  in our homes has become banal; there&#8217;s nothing super exceptional about it. If you can afford to hire an au pair, a nanny, a live in house help etc, then it goes without arguing that you are expected to provide  a decent room for your au pair . That she has her personal  bathroom, TV, and computer is fine, but not absolutely indispensable. And let&#8217;s face it, in as much as it is convenient for her to have private access to these commonly shared household spaces and facilities, it is also convenient for the parents and the family.<br />
Moreover, what is the use of offering her all these when she hardly has the time and energy to enjoy them??</p>
<p>3. &#8220;Only one really sweet baby to watch — our now 10 month old daughter, who lucky for all of us is an angel, never crying, fussing&#8221;</p>
<p>That your child or children are the easiest and the most  fuss-free to look after in the entire world, does not in anyway justify you regularly overworking your au pair. As Anon-y-Mom and others have pointed out,  having your au pair look after your child or children for  so many hours a day is not good for any of the persons involved. Not for her, not for your child, and not for you.<br />
An au pair is expected to have a cultural exchange which involves meeting people beyond her host family and beyond the confines of her working hours, interacting with other au pairs. Working for over 45 hrs a week barely leaves her the energy and time for that! Memories of my exhaustion as an au pair are still fresh: and I was not an abused au pair, since I worked 30-35 hours a week. But I can still remember how exhausted I was  after 5-6 hours of looking after three children aged below 5 years. I can only imagine what those overworked au pairs are going through! Needless to say, the quality of child care offered by an exhausted and overworked au pair, always takes  the downward  direction.</p>
<p>It is my opinion, (one that is shared by many au pairs and former au pairs I know) that : No, it is  NOT  OK to have au pairs work overtime on a regular basis  in exchange for financial or material compensation, or whatever arguments you put forth. </p>
<p>An au pair is neither a nanny, nor a house helps. She should not be the one to carry our parental responsibilities. Her working hours and responsibilities assigned to her should reflect her au pair status.</p>
<p>Possible solutions could involve having two au pairs (as one parent here is doing ); employing a (full time/ part time ) nanny and an au pair; you and your spouse cutting back on your working hours etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon HM in NV</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon HM in NV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a manager, I have some flexibility and try to present and support work-family balance to my employees.  However, I work in a large organization where I don&#039;t get to make the rules, and although I am a manager, I also have a manager, who reports to a VP, and Sr VP, and CEO and so on.  If it were purely up to me and were that simple of an equation, sure, I would offer unlimited flexibility to my employees when family situations warranted it.  However, although I have some discretion in one-off, emergency type situations (such as a newborn illness), that would not be tolerated (and I don&#039;t think it should be in a professional environment) on an on-going basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a manager, I have some flexibility and try to present and support work-family balance to my employees.  However, I work in a large organization where I don&#8217;t get to make the rules, and although I am a manager, I also have a manager, who reports to a VP, and Sr VP, and CEO and so on.  If it were purely up to me and were that simple of an equation, sure, I would offer unlimited flexibility to my employees when family situations warranted it.  However, although I have some discretion in one-off, emergency type situations (such as a newborn illness), that would not be tolerated (and I don&#8217;t think it should be in a professional environment) on an on-going basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering the same thing --- does the HM think that you are working all day 6am-8pm?  I wonder if maybe it is a difference in perception?  Not that that makes it ok, of course, but if you haven&#039;t already, it sounds like it you should probably have a very honest conversation with her about it.  I wonder if she considers some of it as &#039;non-working&#039; time?  If not, and she expects you to work all day 6am-8pm, well... that is just ridiculous and unacceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering the same thing &#8212; does the HM think that you are working all day 6am-8pm?  I wonder if maybe it is a difference in perception?  Not that that makes it ok, of course, but if you haven&#8217;t already, it sounds like it you should probably have a very honest conversation with her about it.  I wonder if she considers some of it as &#8216;non-working&#8217; time?  If not, and she expects you to work all day 6am-8pm, well&#8230; that is just ridiculous and unacceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorsi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 06:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which makes me wonder...does the HM think that you work 6a-8p every day?  Does she consider all of that &quot;on-duty&quot;? Have you ever had a conversation about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which makes me wonder&#8230;does the HM think that you work 6a-8p every day?  Does she consider all of that &#8220;on-duty&#8221;? Have you ever had a conversation about this?</p>
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		<title>By: Sara Duke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my son was 3, we enrolled him not in daycare, but in a preschool program. He attended for a half-day, which included lunchtime, and then my APs picked him up and brought him home. Because he has an October birthday, he attended the program for 2 1/2 years (he started in a January, which was a bit of a trick finding a place that had open slots). I would not have considered anything earlier than that, personally, because he wasn&#039;t ready. It worked out particularly well for him, because he got to go home and play instead of being forced to take a nap, and our APs had a couple hours of down time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my son was 3, we enrolled him not in daycare, but in a preschool program. He attended for a half-day, which included lunchtime, and then my APs picked him up and brought him home. Because he has an October birthday, he attended the program for 2 1/2 years (he started in a January, which was a bit of a trick finding a place that had open slots). I would not have considered anything earlier than that, personally, because he wasn&#8217;t ready. It worked out particularly well for him, because he got to go home and play instead of being forced to take a nap, and our APs had a couple hours of down time.</p>
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