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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 21:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really respect that</description>
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		<title>By: OR_HM</title>
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		<dc:creator>OR_HM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 21:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had a rematch AP, who had about 3 wks between when she &quot;needed&quot; to start and when we could have her start. She was staying with an LCC, but we gave her some money during that time. Not the whole stipend, but some cash so she could get around and take care of herself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a rematch AP, who had about 3 wks between when she &#8220;needed&#8221; to start and when we could have her start. She was staying with an LCC, but we gave her some money during that time. Not the whole stipend, but some cash so she could get around and take care of herself.</p>
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		<title>By: OR_HM</title>
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		<dc:creator>OR_HM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We eventually went into rematch with our AP due to economics-- we kept her until just now, and my husband was laid off in December (~4 mths). We wanted to make sure we did have childcare and didn&#039;t want to chang our situation when he did get a job, but it&#039;s taking too long. Fortunately, she was able to find another family locally (which we have encouraged the agency to allow). My son will be going to preschool a few hours a week to let my husband look for work; it&#039;s still an expense, but much less than the cost of the full-time AP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We eventually went into rematch with our AP due to economics&#8211; we kept her until just now, and my husband was laid off in December (~4 mths). We wanted to make sure we did have childcare and didn&#8217;t want to chang our situation when he did get a job, but it&#8217;s taking too long. Fortunately, she was able to find another family locally (which we have encouraged the agency to allow). My son will be going to preschool a few hours a week to let my husband look for work; it&#8217;s still an expense, but much less than the cost of the full-time AP.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am wondering how many aupairs went into rematch because of family economics. A number of my own friends have lost jobs but everyone felt that they needed childcare in order to look for a job</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am wondering how many aupairs went into rematch because of family economics. A number of my own friends have lost jobs but everyone felt that they needed childcare in order to look for a job</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once talked to an aupair in rematch who had not gotten paid for a couple of weeks due to the fact that she was not working for the family anymore. She presented well on the phone and looked great on paper. She went to a family who sent her a check for two of the weeks she had not gotten paid by her first family. She told me that the family could not welcome her for two more weeks so they sent her the check ( or money order ) . She was not a golddigger but a nice girl who was frightened at being without cash and deeply grateful to the woman who understood that. I had never even entertained such an idea but I thought it showed kindness and saavy.
That was a host mother who knew how to use money effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once talked to an aupair in rematch who had not gotten paid for a couple of weeks due to the fact that she was not working for the family anymore. She presented well on the phone and looked great on paper. She went to a family who sent her a check for two of the weeks she had not gotten paid by her first family. She told me that the family could not welcome her for two more weeks so they sent her the check ( or money order ) . She was not a golddigger but a nice girl who was frightened at being without cash and deeply grateful to the woman who understood that. I had never even entertained such an idea but I thought it showed kindness and saavy.<br />
That was a host mother who knew how to use money effectively.</p>
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		<title>By: HRHM</title>
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		<dc:creator>HRHM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 16:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this more than mildly irritating, as I paid fees for a year of child care, not 51 weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this more than mildly irritating, as I paid fees for a year of child care, not 51 weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Taking a computer lunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taking a computer lunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First I will tell you about the time I did bite my tongue. My 2nd AP was fantastic, and as perfect for that point in time as my first had been when she arrived. She extended for 6 months, and we had been generous with extra time. For example, when her parents came, we gave her an extra week off. However, while her parents were visiting I found I out that I had not one but two exhibitions that had to go on the wall in the next six months. Instead of being generous in her last six weeks, I had to assign her extra hours, so I could make the exhibitions happen. She felt hurt and I had to sit her down and say, &quot;You have been great and we were able to be very generous to you. Now things have changed and they&#039;re not my fault. I know you want to see your friends, have a great time, and say good-bye to everyone. I need to you to work.&quot; She pulled through and we remained friends. She has come back to visit us on a couple of occasions.

My first AP gave us four months notice, but it was a tough year: my daughter had brain surgery, my husband burst his appendix, and I got pneumonia from stripping paint in the basement shower so I could reseal it. We completely cleaned out the back of the basement to make a bedroom for the 2nd AP where our study had been - I sold my books and gave my dissertation notes to a friend working in the same field. I think the AP resented what we were doing, but we had to separate our son from our daughter (she was screaming through the night - something that a microdose of Prozac finally eliminated). The AP pushed and pushed, and it was the wrong year, and I snapped. At one point, in her failure or unwillingness to listen to me, I got snarky, and asked &quot;Do you not understand English or do you refuse to understand me?&quot; The relationship ended badly, but by that time we were more than done with each other and my husband was stressed out from his role as peace-keeper. She quit three weeks before AP #2 arrived, and I bent over backwards to make it work without her (since it wasn&#039;t his fault). AP #1 had stayed with us for 3 1/2 years and we had attempted to sponsor her as an employer, so we had no contract, and at that point, no agency.

My advice is not to get snarky. Try to sit down at the table and say, &quot;I know you&#039;re ready to go home and you want to be done working here, but I&#039;m not happy with the way things are going. You might want a letter of recommendation from me some day, telling your future boss what a great person you are and right now I don&#039;t feel that way. I need you to listen to me and to take your remaining weeks (days?) here seriously. It will be much more fun for both of us if we&#039;re not angry at each other all the time.&quot;  But also give her time to air her complaints. Don&#039;t give her a list of all her sins, just the things you absolutely need her to correct. And really try to listen to her, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I will tell you about the time I did bite my tongue. My 2nd AP was fantastic, and as perfect for that point in time as my first had been when she arrived. She extended for 6 months, and we had been generous with extra time. For example, when her parents came, we gave her an extra week off. However, while her parents were visiting I found I out that I had not one but two exhibitions that had to go on the wall in the next six months. Instead of being generous in her last six weeks, I had to assign her extra hours, so I could make the exhibitions happen. She felt hurt and I had to sit her down and say, &#8220;You have been great and we were able to be very generous to you. Now things have changed and they&#8217;re not my fault. I know you want to see your friends, have a great time, and say good-bye to everyone. I need to you to work.&#8221; She pulled through and we remained friends. She has come back to visit us on a couple of occasions.</p>
<p>My first AP gave us four months notice, but it was a tough year: my daughter had brain surgery, my husband burst his appendix, and I got pneumonia from stripping paint in the basement shower so I could reseal it. We completely cleaned out the back of the basement to make a bedroom for the 2nd AP where our study had been &#8211; I sold my books and gave my dissertation notes to a friend working in the same field. I think the AP resented what we were doing, but we had to separate our son from our daughter (she was screaming through the night &#8211; something that a microdose of Prozac finally eliminated). The AP pushed and pushed, and it was the wrong year, and I snapped. At one point, in her failure or unwillingness to listen to me, I got snarky, and asked &#8220;Do you not understand English or do you refuse to understand me?&#8221; The relationship ended badly, but by that time we were more than done with each other and my husband was stressed out from his role as peace-keeper. She quit three weeks before AP #2 arrived, and I bent over backwards to make it work without her (since it wasn&#8217;t his fault). AP #1 had stayed with us for 3 1/2 years and we had attempted to sponsor her as an employer, so we had no contract, and at that point, no agency.</p>
<p>My advice is not to get snarky. Try to sit down at the table and say, &#8220;I know you&#8217;re ready to go home and you want to be done working here, but I&#8217;m not happy with the way things are going. You might want a letter of recommendation from me some day, telling your future boss what a great person you are and right now I don&#8217;t feel that way. I need you to listen to me and to take your remaining weeks (days?) here seriously. It will be much more fun for both of us if we&#8217;re not angry at each other all the time.&#8221;  But also give her time to air her complaints. Don&#8217;t give her a list of all her sins, just the things you absolutely need her to correct. And really try to listen to her, too.</p>
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		<title>By: TX Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>TX Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane, there is also a thread on keeping the upper hand when you are a lame duck HP.  Hopefully more HP&#039;s will share on this topic. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, there is also a thread on keeping the upper hand when you are a lame duck HP.  Hopefully more HP&#8217;s will share on this topic. <img src='http://AuPairMom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, do tell about your experience with not biting your tongue with your first au pair. Sometimes I blame getting to this point on myself because I am not speaking up and telling her the things about her behavior that are upsetting to me. After all--everyone keeps saying--talk things out, be open, etc. Sounds like you were open and it didn&#039;t go well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, do tell about your experience with not biting your tongue with your first au pair. Sometimes I blame getting to this point on myself because I am not speaking up and telling her the things about her behavior that are upsetting to me. After all&#8211;everyone keeps saying&#8211;talk things out, be open, etc. Sounds like you were open and it didn&#8217;t go well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the good advice, Taking a  compuer lunch. I admit, my emotions are talking at the moment. Logically if she wants to end on her official end date, there is no problem with that and we should not kick her out of the house. Unfortunately, she has pushed and manipulated to the point where I can&#039;t help but WANT her out. 

This is such a different experience for me, because my last months with previous au pairs were such fun, relaxing times, as everyone knew the time was almost up, rules were lax as trust had been gained, and extra vacation days were given freely as the giving went both ways. In the past, my last 3 months with each au pair was the best in many ways. Not so with this one...things seemed to have gotten worse recently as her expectations and entitlement has increased and helpfulness has decreased. I suspect she is just homesick at this point and wants to go home--she has not had the same connection to back home as my past au pairs have had. So, knowing this logically, I am trying and trying to be the bigger person, but then I already give a lot of extra time and extra help, and can&#039;t help but get ticked off when it isn&#039;t appreciated or enough. So, she doesn&#039;t want to work until the day we had agreed upon since she set foot in my house? Okay, no problem. But please stop wanting your cake and eat it too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the good advice, Taking a  compuer lunch. I admit, my emotions are talking at the moment. Logically if she wants to end on her official end date, there is no problem with that and we should not kick her out of the house. Unfortunately, she has pushed and manipulated to the point where I can&#8217;t help but WANT her out. </p>
<p>This is such a different experience for me, because my last months with previous au pairs were such fun, relaxing times, as everyone knew the time was almost up, rules were lax as trust had been gained, and extra vacation days were given freely as the giving went both ways. In the past, my last 3 months with each au pair was the best in many ways. Not so with this one&#8230;things seemed to have gotten worse recently as her expectations and entitlement has increased and helpfulness has decreased. I suspect she is just homesick at this point and wants to go home&#8211;she has not had the same connection to back home as my past au pairs have had. So, knowing this logically, I am trying and trying to be the bigger person, but then I already give a lot of extra time and extra help, and can&#8217;t help but get ticked off when it isn&#8217;t appreciated or enough. So, she doesn&#8217;t want to work until the day we had agreed upon since she set foot in my house? Okay, no problem. But please stop wanting your cake and eat it too&#8230;</p>
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